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« on: March 12, 2009, 16:27:21 EDT »

As some of you have probably read there have been some shootings in Northern Ireland recently.  The Real IRA shot dead two British soldiers.  They also shot two other soldiers and two polish Pizza delivery men.  Two days later, in another part of Northern Ireland a policeman was shot dead by the Continuity IRA.

This is all horrible and may lead in a very bad direction.

I can't help being reassured though by the comedy of the situation.  Few people outside will get it.  The Real IRA and the Continuity IRA are enemies.  They're associated with different criminal gangs in the Republic of Ireland.  Criminal gangs that frequently murder each other.

There is a small possibility that these attacks are coordinated.  It seems more likely though the CIRA felt their manhood threatened when the RIRA actually did some terrorism.  The CIRA then responded by shooting the first cop they could find.
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2009, 17:17:48 EDT »

We were talking about this today in class and I was led to wonder, what makes England want to keep Northern Ireland? Is it really worth it?
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2009, 19:17:59 EDT »

English bloodymindedness, mainly.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2009, 20:57:50 EDT »

English bloodymindedness, mainly.

They already gave up most of their other holdings.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2009, 22:33:41 EDT »

English bloodymindedness, mainly.

There is also the slight bit that the majority of people there want to remain part of the UK.

That's why Ulster was split off in the first place, and the population distribution has remained relatively stable.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2009, 23:05:00 EDT »

English bloodymindedness, mainly.

They already gave up most of their other holdings.

Only because they couldn't hold them properly any more. And even then, there's a certain grip that England still exercises over its former empire. Namely, powerful members of the British Commonwealth still have the Queen as their head of state. And apparently, it's considered a punishment for Fiji to be expelled from that same commonwealth for refusing to hold elections.

English bloodymindedness, mainly.

There is also the slight bit that the majority of people there want to remain part of the UK.

That's why Ulster was split off in the first place, and the population distribution has remained relatively stable.


Fair call.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2009, 05:07:49 EDT »

English bloodymindedness, mainly.

I think that's not limited to England. No country is especially keen on granting any of its parts independence, no matter how hard they struggle.
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2009, 09:34:01 EDT »

English bloodymindedness, mainly.

There is also the slight bit that the majority of people there want to remain part of the UK.

That's why Ulster was split off in the first place, and the population distribution has remained relatively stable.
Yes.  Most of the population are protestants and decendents of protestants.  It's fairly close these day's though because quite a lot of the protestants have moved to other parts of the UK.

It's not a simple as Britain pulling out.  If there were an election on unifying the north and the republic and a majority of the electorate of Northern Ireland voted for it then it may happen.  It is unlikely though the electorate would vote that way. 

The British government could pull out anyway.  But what would that achieve?  The protestants would be furious and the UVF would restart their terror campaign.  The IRA splinter groups are unlikely to keep quiet either, they are all affiliated with criminal gangs, as are some of the protestant terror groups, and in that capacity they would continue.  The Republic of Ireland could not police the north, they don't have the organization or the money.  They don't have the desire either, the government here in the republic would resist any unsupported pullout.

The current situation is not good, but a pullout would be much worse for almost everyone concerned.

English bloodymindedness, mainly.

I think that's not limited to England. No country is especially keen on granting any of its parts independence, no matter how hard they struggle.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2009, 09:46:18 EDT »

Somehow, this week every crazy nutjob seems to be bent on shooting people. And Friday, 13th isn't even over yet.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 12:13:48 EDT »

This week a major Irish crime figure accidentally killed himself by shooting himself in the head.  It's nice to have a little good news.
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