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« on: February 11, 2009, 11:20:04 EST »

It's disgusting that this anti-semitic bullshit persists and thrives today. Sickening.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1063092.html

Poll: 31% of Europeans blame Jews for global financial crisis 
 
By Natasha Mozgovaya, Haaretz Correspsondent, and Haaretz Service 
 
Tags: jewish world, anti-semitism   

A recent survey conducted by the Anti-Defamation League found that anti-Semitic attitudes in seven European countries have worsened due to the global financial crisis and Israel's military actions against the Palestinians.

Some 31 percent of adults polled blame Jews in the financial industry for the economic meltdown, while 58 percent of respondents admitted that their opinion of Jews has worsened due to their criticism of Israel.

The ADL, a Jewish-American organization polled 3,500 adults - 500 each in Austria, France, Hungary, Poland, Germany, Spain and the United Kingdom - between December 1, 2008 and January 13, 2009.
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According to the survey, 40 percent of polled Europeans believe that Jews have an over-abundance of power in the business world. More than half of the respondents in Hungary, Spain and Poland agreed with this statement. These numbers were 7 percent higher in Hungary, 6 percent higher in Poland and 5 percent higher in France than those recorded in the ADL's 2007 survey.

Nearly half of the respondents in each of the countries said that Jews were more loyal to Israel than to their home country. Twenty-three percent said that their opinion of Jews was influenced by Israel's military and political activities.

Another 44 percent of respondents said it was "probably true" that Jews reference the Holocaust too much, while 23% said that they still blame Jews for the death of Jesus.

"This poll confirms that anti-Semitism remains alive and well in the minds of many Europeans," said Abe Foxman, the National Director of Anti-Defamation League. "In the wake of the global financial crisis, the strong belief of excessive Jewish influence on business and finance is especially worrisome."

Late last year, the ADL reported a major upsurge in the number of anti-Semitic postings on the Internet relating to the financial crisis engulfing the United States.

The Jewish-American organization cited hundreds of posts regarding the bankrupt investment bank Lehman Brothers and other institutions affected by the subprime mortgage crisis.

The messages railed against Jews in general, with some charging that Jews control the U.S. government and finance as part of a "Jew world order" and therefore are to blame for the economic turmoil.

The arrest of Wall Street financier Bernard Madoff, who allegedly swindled $50 billion from investors, prompted an outpouring of anti-Semitic comments on mainstream and extremist Web sites, according to the ADL.

The ADL said some of the posts on the highly trafficked sites spread conspiracy theories about Jews stealing money to benefit Israel and suggest that, "Only Jews could perpetrate a fraud on such a scale."

These and other anti-Jewish tropes about Jews and money have appeared on popular blogs devoted to finance, in comment sections of mainstream news outlets and in banter among users of Internet discussion groups, according to the ADL.

"Jews are always a convenient scapegoat in times of crisis, but the Madoff scandal and the fact that so many of the defrauded investors are Jewish has created a perfect storm for the anti-Semites," Foxman said last year, following news of the Internet hate messages.
 

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 12:11:27 EST »

And people wonder why Jews were so eager to get to Israel, and so willing to aggressively seize control of the region.  Because THIS is the way that Western/Central Europe, land of the left-leaning pot-smoking hippies, treats Jews 60 years after the Holocaust.  Keep in mind that most European Jews were located not in West/Central Europe, but Eastern Europe, which is less left and more anti-semitic than West/Central by a large margin.

And no, they aren't anti-semitic because they dislike Israel, they dislike Israel because they are anti-semitic.  They were heavily anti-semitic even right after the holocaust.  There are tons of dictatorships and nations that do things much worse than Israel every day for much less reason, but the Europeans and the UN never call them on that.  In fact, if you notice, a large fraction of all UN resolutions are directed at Israel.  Not the conflict as a whole to both sides, but specifically to the Israelis and no one else.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 12:44:18 EST »

I certainly agree that European countries are not as multi-cultural as they would have the rest of the world believe.

But I can't help being a bit suspicious.  What are the "Anti-Defamation League"?  Are they reliable?
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 13:19:23 EST »

I'm just hoping BB (Netanyahu) is more resonable this time, but I suspect he's not going to cuddle and snuggle with the new Obama administration.

I'd really like to see BB take a backseat role in this, but with the right crushing the left in Israel I think it's fair to say it's time to strap in because the world of coddle and kiss such that it is will be coming to a close.

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(To Bomb Iran, or just as likely, "We've bombed Iran and started a war we can't finish.")
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 15:13:35 EST »

I certainly agree that European countries are not as multi-cultural as they would have the rest of the world believe.

But I can't help being a bit suspicious.  What are the "Anti-Defamation League"?  Are they reliable?

They're considered the world's premeir anti-anti-semitism organization.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 20:21:56 EST »

And their leader is absolutely unbalanced, or more correctly, fighting the same fights that Jesse Jackson et all fight.

I'm not so sure his positions on jeudaism are tenable any longer, as there is little shame attached to the title of being jewish now.  Of course, he's been fighting for so long and grew up so hardcore that, well, he's not going to suddenly "rest easy".
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 23:51:50 EST »

If we could cut the rhetoric for just a moment, what are the actual facts? How do jews measure up in the financial and political world compared to everyone else?
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 10:25:00 EST »

It's interesting to see how far out of line Britain is compared to other nations in the survey.

An optimist or anglophile may suggest that Britain is more tolerant to Jews than other places in Europe.  Others may suggest that perhaps the English and Jewish are more alike.  A person could read this report as demonstrating that Werner Sombart was right.

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 12:23:45 EST »

And people wonder why Jews were so eager to get to Israel, and so willing to aggressively seize control of the region.  Because THIS is the way that Western/Central Europe, land of the left-leaning pot-smoking hippies, treats Jews 60 years after the Holocaust.  Keep in mind that most European Jews were located not in West/Central Europe, but Eastern Europe, which is less left and more anti-semitic than West/Central by a large margin.

And no, they aren't anti-semitic because they dislike Israel, they dislike Israel because they are anti-semitic.  They were heavily anti-semitic even right after the holocaust.  There are tons of dictatorships and nations that do things much worse than Israel every day for much less reason, but the Europeans and the UN never call them on that.  In fact, if you notice, a large fraction of all UN resolutions are directed at Israel.  Not the conflict as a whole to both sides, but specifically to the Israelis and no one else.
Yet Israel has turned out exactly like Trotsky warned, where on one side you have anti-imperialist struggles of Arabs that pre-dates Israel and on the other side Israel being totally dependent on imperialist powers.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 15:55:32 EST »

side you have anti-imperialist struggles of Arabs that pre-dates Israel and on the other side Israel being totally dependent on imperialist powers.
Israel has nothing to do with imperialism.  It was created as a direct consequence of the holocaust, and in fact its creation necessitated the expulsion of British control from the region, which is if anything anti-imperialist.  The squabble there has nothing to do with imperalism, and everything to do with religious-ethnic conflict.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 16:29:51 EST »

side you have anti-imperialist struggles of Arabs that pre-dates Israel and on the other side Israel being totally dependent on imperialist powers.
Israel has nothing to do with imperialism.  It was created as a direct consequence of the holocaust, and in fact its creation necessitated the expulsion of British control from the region, which is if anything anti-imperialist.  The squabble there has nothing to do with imperalism, and everything to do with religious-ethnic conflict.
Israel has everything to do with imperialism, if you go back before Israel existed similar conflicts existed against the British and there was not much antisemitism amoung Arabs, you even had a number of labor unions in the Middle East that had both Jews and Arabs.  While Israel was created by the expulsion of the British it quickly become a client of the USA, thus Israel became a instrument of US imperialism in the Middle East.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 19:07:13 EST »

Exactly how has the US used Israel to expand influence in the Middle East? If anything, the continued backing of Israel has damaged the US' influence in the Middle East.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 19:56:43 EST »

Exactly how has the US used Israel to expand influence in the Middle East? If anything, the continued backing of Israel has damaged the US' influence in the Middle East.
The US interest in the Middle East is maintaining puppets that allow US capitalists to exploit the regions wealth, meaning the US is against all anti-imperialist struggles in the Middle East as the US is the largest imperialist power in the Middle East.  Israel has deformed Arab anti-imperialist struggles and alienated them from the rest of the world both which are in the interest of the US in the region. 
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 22:00:38 EST »

So that'd mean that Israel is rich in oil, right? Since, you know, that's what most people think of when they think "Middle East".

Well, considering that nearby Iraq, Kuwait and Iran have shittons of oil and Israel has nearly none, I think you need to try again.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 22:48:00 EST »

So that'd mean that Israel is rich in oil, right? Since, you know, that's what most people think of when they think "Middle East".

Well, considering that nearby Iraq, Kuwait and Iran have shittons of oil and Israel has nearly none, I think you need to try again.
What makes you think all imperialism revolves around oil?  Imperialism existed before oil was even valuable.  Israel for the US empire acts as a proxy to crushing anti-imperialist struggles in the Middle East not only through Israel but through the reactionary religious groups that crush true anti-imperialist struggles, the US rather have Arabs join Hamas that threatens Israel then join a real anti-imperialist movement that threatens the US's domination over the region.
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