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« on: January 26, 2009, 13:44:34 EST »

Recent threads here have revealed a rather puritanical attitude to Alcohol and other drugs on this forum.  As you grow older you'll realize that righteous indignation is often just another form of pleasure.  Don't worry though, feeling that hit of superiority every morning is not particularly harmful.  I must warn you though that true addicts often become government ministers.

Meanwhile, I'm preparing for the effects of the recession.  I'm brewing a nice few gallons of beer at home.  I'll be making forty pints of Woodeforde's Nog, which is a very nice Ale, and another to make forty pints of Almondbury Old.

Home brewing is cheaper than buying beer in shops or pubs, only ~1euro per pint, saving me some money.  Much of the saving comes about because I will not have to pay excise duty on this beer, nor pay towards the cost of a pub's license.

I'll probably give a few gallons of it away to friends as presents.

So, I'm denying the government their cut and encouraging drinking.  When I think about that in the morning it makes me smile.
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 14:02:19 EST »

Our local government actually said, not so very long ago, that people need to drink more.

I found this really rather funn,y I'm sure what he meant was we needed the additional tax income, but I prefer to think it was a moment of clarity where he realized that the biggest problem in our culture at present is excess stress.

Vice is a social good in many ways, from both the libertarian and socialist doctraine, as pent up stressjobs are usually both less productive and more likely to suffer from a real meltdown.  Smokers and drinkers are an interesting case, as they seem to be more gregareous (sp), I once floated the idea to a businessman that we should encourage all the business students to take up smoking in their third year so they would learn some interpersonal skills.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 22:55:44 EST »

I found this really rather funn,y I'm sure what he meant was we needed the additional tax income, but I prefer to think it was a moment of clarity where he realized that the biggest problem in our culture at present is excess stress.
In America, at least, the theory I prefer for the excess stress is due to our culture emphasizing not merely keeping up with the Joneses, but keeping up with the Hiltons.  While the French happily enjoy their vacation days, the Americans keep working more and more out of a desperate quest to get "enough" stuff, even as they become less and less happy due to overworking themselves.

Vice is a social good in many ways, from both the libertarian and socialist doctraine, as pent up stressjobs are usually both less productive and more likely to suffer from a real meltdown.  Smokers and drinkers are an interesting case, as they seem to be more gregareous (sp), I once floated the idea to a businessman that we should encourage all the business students to take up smoking in their third year so they would learn some interpersonal skills.
Smoking causes stress, it doesn't relieve it, except for the very stress that it causes in the first place, which is relieved only by smoking more.  So it leaves you worse off, not better.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 23:00:29 EST »

Recent threads here have revealed a rather puritanical attitude to Alcohol and other drugs on this forum. 
I just don't like drunk/drugged people killing themselves and others.

As you grow older you'll realize that righteous indignation is often just another form of pleasure.
If that were true, the Bush years would've been a lot more enjoyable.

I am concerned only with the minimization of suffering.  Drunks/Druggees inflict suffering on themselves and others in great excess of what happiness they gain, as a whole.  Sure, some people can manage their drinking/drug use, good for them, I'm concerned with the ones who can't, which given the mentally damaging aspects of those products, tends to be a pretty large number.  A number of people who would have otherwise had decent enjoyable lives if they hadn't become an alcoholic/drug addict.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 12:19:06 EST »

Ah, but you forget stress is opposed by another human force which I label "awesome", as long as we have enough awesome in our life, stress doesn't bother us.  It's not a cathartic release to do something awsome, it is a teleological fufillment.

Smoking is awesome in the same way juice boxes and whiskey are awesome, in that while not being a sufficent source of awesome, it is an awesome multiplier.

Consider the two cases of potential sources of awesome:

Discussing the shattered lives of ex-wrestlers

Discussing the shattered lives of ex-wrestlers while smoking a methol cigarrette and drinking whiskey.

I submit to you that the second is at least four times as awesome as the first, and while the inital aweosme was pretty low, those multipliers may make it a decent source of overall awesome.

Replace that with a better initial source of awesome and it becomes epic.

Mocking the conservative budget while smoking and drinking whiskey is so awesome as to be beyond reproach.

I submit that there is just not enough awesome in society and we should encourage more people to be awesome.
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 17:07:12 EST »

So that's how I stay stress-free...
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2009, 18:41:23 EST »

Consider the two cases of potential sources of awesome:

Discussing the shattered lives of ex-wrestlers

This would involve Grade C fail.

Discussing the shattered lives of ex-wrestlers while smoking a methol cigarrette and drinking whiskey.

And this is, depending on the quality of the whiskey, Grade A or B fail. Single malt is the only thing that could save this horrible situation, and only if the number of cigarettes smoked is below 5.

I submit that there is just not enough awesome in society and we should encourage more people to be awesome.

While this is true, we need more sources of quality awesome; action stars with the quality of Bruce Willis in Die Hard, or Sean Connery as James Bond.

Hell, the level of concentrated awesome of Samuel L. Jackson and Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction even made John Travolta look good. That is epic awesome.

First thing's first; let's get rid of the WWE and WCW, and put up in their place actual wrestling. Boxing is fairly awesome, but pro wrestling fails hard. Then, we kill off The Rock, poseur that he is. Cremate Uwe Boll, his movies prove that he'd be better off that way. These simple steps would increase the level of awesome in the world greatly for minimum cost. Then we can go for the harder to get, but richer sources of awesome.
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 19:31:17 EST »

Look, we all know that NBA Basketball has the most awesome. Dwyane Wade scores 10 points in three minutes, dunks, spins, runs like the flash, and makes me happy when the Heat move up in the rankings.

Third in the southeast, fifth in the east, and tenth in the league! We moving up in the world!
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 19:43:47 EST »

Now you just need to discover the extreme version: add trampolines around the nets, and make dunking worth 3. Forget what it's called, but it looks awesome ++
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 19:53:11 EST »

Now you just need to discover the extreme version: add trampolines around the nets, and make dunking worth 3. Forget what it's called, but it looks awesome ++

I am partial to full contact basketball. It's basically the same, but with fewer rules.
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 22:20:10 EST »

My parents used to home-brew wine. We'd buy the necessary yeasts and fresh-pressed grape "juice" from acquaintances who lived in winemaking areas, and leave them to ferment in the cellar.

Incidentally, natural, unsweetened fresh grape must is delicious. It's just the right level of sweetness, naturally sparkling as it's started to ferment and an excellent laxative.

It's not as easy as it sounds. The finished product had a nice taste but left you with one hell of a headache after only a glass, so be a little careful with your home-brewed beer, especially if it's your first try.

You'll probably do fine, but you might just find out what government licenses and quality controls are for...

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I do it by being naturally aloof and scatter-brained... but it's not for everyone.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2009, 08:37:11 EST »

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It's not as easy as it sounds. The finished product had a nice taste but left you with one hell of a headache after only a glass, so be a little careful with your home-brewed beer, especially if it's your first try.
I've done it before, it's quite easy.

British beers have the same ingredients as German ones, just hops, malted barley, yeast and water.  You get the malted barley and hops in cans.  A little sugar is added at the end.  So, it's reasonably simple.

I haven't made wine before, but some of my family have.  Sometimes it's very good, sometimes it's paint stripper.  I've made Cider before, that was pretty unsuccessful.
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 15:14:40 EST »

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I do it by being naturally aloof and scatter-brained... but it's not for everyone.

Just call being aloof and scatter-brained awesome.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 18:06:02 EST »

Now you just need to discover the extreme version: add trampolines around the nets, and make dunking worth 3. Forget what it's called, but it looks awesome ++
That would be called slamball, and it is the NASCAR of basketball.
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 19:39:55 EST »

But with actual skill! Not just turning left around an oval constantly at all! Tongue
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