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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2007, 21:09:29 EDT »

Define "Human"...

Most everyone here is probably a person. If they're a computer that is smart enough to convince us over a long time that they're a person (and not like, saying 'Hi' to an anwsering machine.. that's just a trick) they're probably a person. But since no such computer exists and, as far as we know, on Earth the only people are humans (..or furries..), I'm going to assume until I have evicence otherwise, that the people here that are people are human.
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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2007, 21:53:26 EDT »

Most everyone here is probably a person. If they're a computer that is smart enough to convince us over a long time that they're a person (and not like, saying 'Hi' to an anwsering machine.. that's just a trick) they're probably a person. But since no such computer exists and, as far as we know, on Earth the only people are humans (..or furries..), I'm going to assume until I have evicence otherwise, that the people here that are people are human.

As I said before - "Are we talking physically or spiritually/mentally here?"

...And, actually, the ability for computers to act like intelligent interactors in a conversational environment has existed since SHRDLU. Albeit SHRDLU was only able to converse about the specific domain of building blocks, but it was pretty much able to parse, and intelligently respond to, any query or request (or false statement) about the world of the these virtual building blocks. Elizah gets all the fame, despite being utterly, utterly, rubbish and based on sentence manipulation compared to SHRDLU simply because a computer playing psychiatrist captures the public imagination than asking a computer what the red block was supporting before it was removed from it.
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2007, 21:55:27 EDT »

Most everyone here is probably a person. If they're a computer that is smart enough to convince us over a long time that they're a person (and not like, saying 'Hi' to an anwsering machine.. that's just a trick) they're probably a person. But since no such computer exists and, as far as we know, on Earth the only people are humans (..or furries..), I'm going to assume until I have evicence otherwise, that the people here that are people are human.

As I said before - "Are we talking physically or spiritually/mentally here?"

...And, actually, the ability for computers to act like intelligent interactors in a conversational environment has existed since SHRDLU. Albeit SHRDLU was only able to converse about the specific domain of building blocks, but it was pretty much able to parse, and intelligently respond to, any query or request (or false statement) about the world of the these virtual building blocks. Elizah gets all the fame, despite being utterly, utterly, rubbish and based on sentence manipulation compared to SHRDLU simply because a computer playing psychiatrist captures the public imagination than asking a computer what the red block was supporting before it was removed from it.

Let me respecify; that said artificial intelligence needs to be more than a program to anwser questions, that it can form its own unique ideas and opinions, not so much as repeat what is has been told to repeat. I'm talking more about the emotion/initiative thing rather than just a 'database'.
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2007, 22:12:17 EDT »

that would be awesome to create a program that scoured the internet for political datum and compiled it into coherent seemingly unique "thoughts"

It would also be interesting to see which side of the aisle the comp falls on...(I'm guessing it's a left...)
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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2007, 22:58:45 EDT »

that would be awesome to create a program that scoured the internet for political datum and compiled it into coherent seemingly unique "thoughts"

It would also be interesting to see which side of the aisle the comp falls on...(I'm guessing it's a left...)

It'd depend on who was loudest, really.
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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2007, 00:33:09 EDT »

I think it'd be a crazy conspiracy theorist, myself. Either that, or so much contradictory information would make it, well, cynical, so that it wouldn't believe anything. Of course, I say this with no basis whatsoever, but just look at the Internet. Looking at the Internet,  I guess it would be obsessed with  pornography, prescription drugs, and Nigerian ex-ministers of finance.
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2007, 03:47:36 EDT »

It'd depend on who was loudest, really.

...I somewhat hope that it would discover Lawrence Miles's (A certifiable genious who, weather one agrees with his opinions or not, one cannot help but finding them entertainingly expressed) blog and base it's viewpoints on that...

Only that would make it something of an amnesiac since he deletes his reviews of Doctor Who episodes within a couple of days of putting them up.
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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2007, 06:52:44 EDT »

As I said before - "Are we talking physically or spiritually/mentally here?"

...And, actually, the ability for computers to act like intelligent interactors in a conversational environment has existed since SHRDLU. Albeit SHRDLU was only able to converse about the specific domain of building blocks, but it was pretty much able to parse, and intelligently respond to, any query or request (or false statement) about the world of the these virtual building blocks. Elizah gets all the fame, despite being utterly, utterly, rubbish and based on sentence manipulation compared to SHRDLU simply because a computer playing psychiatrist captures the public imagination than asking a computer what the red block was supporting before it was removed from it.

Eliza is intentionally rubbish.  It was intended to show just how easy it is for a computer program to appear superficially similar to a human.  The lisp code for eliza is only 1600 lines long.  What it demonstrates is that because humans talk in strange ways containing a lot of stuff close to nonsense that distingushing between one and a computer is difficult unless the human deliberately tries to do so.
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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2007, 07:02:14 EDT »

As I said before - "Are we talking physically or spiritually/mentally here?"

...And, actually, the ability for computers to act like intelligent interactors in a conversational environment has existed since SHRDLU. Albeit SHRDLU was only able to converse about the specific domain of building blocks, but it was pretty much able to parse, and intelligently respond to, any query or request (or false statement) about the world of the these virtual building blocks. Elizah gets all the fame, despite being utterly, utterly, rubbish and based on sentence manipulation compared to SHRDLU simply because a computer playing psychiatrist captures the public imagination than asking a computer what the red block was supporting before it was removed from it.

Eliza is intentionally rubbish.  It was intended to show just how easy it is for a computer program to appear superficially similar to a human.  The lisp code for eliza is only 1600 lines long.  What it demonstrates is that because humans talk in strange ways containing a lot of stuff close to nonsense that distingushing between one and a computer is difficult unless the human deliberately tries to do so.


Yeah. I'm aware of that (apart from the lines of code bit). I just find it annoying that the language manipulation bot gets all the attention from the public while the thing from the same era capable of understanding natural language that related to its domain, and responding in natural language, is mostly ignored by the public.
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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2007, 18:13:05 EDT »

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A being with sufficent genetic simulalities to the bipedal, relatively hairless ape with a adnormally large braincase that spread all over the planet most if not all of us probably residue on with the last 100 000 years that, reproductive organs allowing, they could produce offspring that could also reproduce with the above species. 

Attempts to define humanity by social, moral or physological factors will often have being commonly classified as human that will not fit into those catrogories and seem to have more to do with defining what humans should be they what they are.
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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2007, 19:38:16 EDT »

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A being with sufficent genetic simulalities to the bipedal, relatively hairless ape with a adnormally large braincase that spread all over the planet most if not all of us probably residue on with the last 100 000 years that, reproductive organs allowing, they could produce offspring that could also reproduce with the above species. 

Attempts to define humanity by social, moral or physological factors will often have being commonly classified as human that will not fit into those catrogories and seem to have more to do with defining what humans should be they what they are.

I don't think anyone was thinking of social, moral or physological factors when they asked you to define it. Simple self-identity.
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2007, 20:02:09 EDT »

Okay... unless you're an appliance, forget 'connection'.  It's interaction.  You type something.  I read it.  I type something.  You read it.  And so on and so on.  The difference is the context of the interaction.  Only one of you knows what I look like.  None of you know how my voice sound.  So you have to use your imagination.  I hope you pretend I sound like something other than a bitchy minnie mouse.  But that's a point of context that I have control over.  In a phone call, I can't control how you hear me without some technology to play with the sound, but I can control your imagination for the purposes of how you imagine I look by telling you I have purple hair, wear glasses, and have a nose ring.   See?  You're imagining it now.  I'll have you know that only two of those are true.  See?  I am manipulating the context.

It's this ability to portray and manipulate one's presentation to others that makes the internet so liberating.  I'll never have D sized breasts in my life (cause implants would probably break me in half) but I can search through thousands of sites and find one with the hooters I want to show the world.  It doesn't matter who you are... old, young, fat, thin, ugly, beautiful... you are what you chose to show to the world.

Now about cyber sex... it's masturbation.  Plain and simple.  If you can masturbate to porn or a dirty novel, chances are you can masturbate to something on your computer screen.  Cyber sex just takes a little more effort as there is a person on the other side of that text and you don't want them to stop or go away, so you have to keep it good.  There's no possibility of rape, abuse (maybe verbal), disease, or impregnation.  I think Cyber sex is the best thing for sex since the evolution of the opposable thumb.

And yeah, there's always going to be some pedophile trying to get the real thing from some kid.  They were trying to get it from them before the invention of the internet.  They will try and get it long from now.

"I don't want the real thing.  It never stacks up to my fantasy."

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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2007, 20:18:13 EDT »

Okay... unless you're an appliance, forget 'connection'.  It's interaction.  You type something.  I read it.  I type something.  You read it.  And so on and so on.  The difference is the context of the interaction.  Only one of you knows what I look like.  None of you know how my voice sound.  So you have to use your imagination.

Or you choose not to. I've never imagined anyone on this forum to sound like anything at all, since what would be the point when my primary form of communication with you all is textual. It would be like imagining the voice of a mute.

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Actually, I was imagining the three elements independently of 'person', as three distinct elements. When applying them to a person, I'm not imagining what I think you look like, I know what you look like as far as my interactions with you are concerned - that's what you display to me in your avatar. Weather that matches to a physical reality or not is completely irrelevent. (Unless we were to meet up rl, which is unlikely at best. Now, purplecat on the other hand... If there was better communication - like me mentioning that autscape was just outside of Bath - it might have happened last year). What I'm doing is imagining an infinite (analogue is wonderful) number of bodies that have those three attributes, none of which I'm imagining to be you.
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2007, 01:20:52 EDT »

I'm not imagining what I think you look like, I know what you look like as far as my interactions with you are concerned - that's what you display to me in your avatar.

Gotta agree. If someone in the street randomly said "somber cat" to me, I'd be thinking this:
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2007, 05:08:03 EDT »

I'm not imagining what I think you look like, I know what you look like as far as my interactions with you are concerned - that's what you display to me in your avatar.

Gotta agree. If someone in the street randomly said "somber cat" to me, I'd be thinking this:


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Not to be an attention whore, but, what would you guys think I'd look like?
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