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« on: January 09, 2007, 22:09:29 EST »

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2007, 22:10:13 EST »

http://www.idrewthis.org/d/20070109.html

Edit: Hmmm... There seems to be a pattern here.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 22:22:52 EST »

http://www.idrewthis.org/d/20070109.html

Edit: Hmmm... There seems to be a pattern here.

Yes, I have beaten you to the punch again, by less than a minute.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 23:01:34 EST »

Now stop doing that. That's creepy.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 23:06:53 EST »

No, I have to go for the Hat Trick on Thursday.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 23:33:30 EST »

Commanders in Afghanistan say they need more people, and the commanders in Iraq say they don't think the surge is a good thing at all.  So what is Bush going to do?  Take troops from Afghanistan to do the surge in Iraq.  Jeez, it is going to be hard not to strangle conservative historical revisionists in 20 years when they are going to try to say Bush was a visionary who was backstabbed or some such.

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2007, 23:48:21 EST »

In light of some torture methods used, maybe he means... nevermind.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2007, 02:06:37 EST »

Commanders in Afghanistan say they need more people, and the commanders in Iraq say they don't think the surge is a good thing at all.  So what is Bush going to do?  Take troops from Afghanistan to do the surge in Iraq.  Jeez, it is going to be hard not to strangle conservative historical revisionists in 20 years when they are going to try to say Bush was a visionary who was backstabbed or some such.

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2007, 04:09:03 EST »

I think Bush might have finally started to understand what people were saying when we went to Iraq, about the need to have enough troops to maintain law and order after the invasion.  Unfortunately, Bush can't turn back time, no matter how hard he tries.  I don't know enough about the situation in Iraq to say whether a troop surge at this point has any hope of succeeding.  My instincts say that retreat is probably a better option (leaving troops in Kurdistan, of course), but if we insist on "victory", we probably do need more troops.

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2007, 11:42:06 EST »

I think the troop surge is way better then a retreat.
Sorry to say this, but you made this mess and now you've got to clean it up!
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2007, 12:01:59 EST »

It's like going to the store to get cleaning supplies, and coming back with air freshener and cheese in a can.

"How are you going to clean the kitchen with Cheese, Shake?!"
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2007, 12:27:56 EST »

I get your point.
I just think leaving the iraqui people alone now wouldn't help the situation.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2007, 12:51:01 EST »

I agree.

Our concern at the moment shouldn't be solely about the welfare of US and British troops, though that is important. It should be about what is best for Iraq now. Not what was best for it four years ago (which was obviously to leave it the heck alone) but now. If the new troops are used effectively to regain control of Baghdad and to tackle the Shia and Sunni militias, then that's better than withdrawing now and letting the country collapse into civil war. If they're just going to be sat in the Green Zone then there's no point. But troops are definitely needed to weed out the murderers and the corruption in the Iraqi police force. Operations like the recent Britihs ones in Basra are what is required now. Death squads cannot be allowed to operate under the percieved jurisdiction of the state, and if they continue to do so the Iraqi government's remaining credibility will collapse, most likely taking the government with it.

The situation to me has passed beyond a simple withdrawl. Even if the presence of American troops caused this escalation in the first place, events have now gained a terrible momentum that we need to do our best to tackle. If there is any chance that we can stop events from spilling over into a regional conflict, then we have to take it.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2007, 16:25:12 EST »

I get your point.
I just think leaving the iraqui people alone now wouldn't help the situation.

Actually, done properly, I think it might.  A phased withdrawl might coax the Iraqis to start taking on the responsibility for keeping order in their own country, instead of waiting for us to fix it for them.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2007, 16:50:51 EST »

I think the troop surge is way better then a retreat.
Sorry to say this, but you made this mess and now you've got to clean it up!

Except that pretty much no one who would know thinks throwing more Americans into the meat grinder will do anything.

Bush isn't trying to clean up the mess. He's trying to delay the inevitable, so the ultimate withdrawal will be the next president's problem and not his; he'd just leave the situation the way it is, like he has been for years, if that had not become untenable.
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